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#39387: "Add an undo button (or a checkbox to prompt for undo)"

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Apr 21 st 2021 16:40 • SteveDave • Cadangan ini belum dianalisa oleh pemaju:

N/A

Jul 10 th 2021 20:59 • Munku05 • Cadangan ini belum dianalisa oleh pemaju:

Sometimes the refuse and confirm actions are too nearby and I keep in clicking wrong button.

Aug 12 th 2021 09:13 • databoy01 • Cadangan ini belum dianalisa oleh pemaju:

TOTALLY AGREE. ITS RIDICULOUS you can’t fix a mistake, especially mid turn when a wrong wine is made or something the computer screws up!!

Aug 12 th 2021 09:15 • databoy01 • Cadangan ini belum dianalisa oleh pemaju:

This game is almost unplayable at its current status!

Apr 10 th 2022 02:17 • KongKing123 • Cadangan ini belum dianalisa oleh pemaju:

Bump.

Oct 16 th 2022 15:24 • twenty9oh7 • Cadangan ini belum dianalisa oleh pemaju:

This game is tough on mobile without an undo. If I clicked a spot let me confirm it or undo if no new info is revealed.

Mar 9 th 2024 16:23 • ColtSmokey • Cadangan ini belum dianalisa oleh pemaju:

Definitely need undo action prior to confirming entire turn. As long as cards weren't drawn, undo must be an option.

Aug 14 th 2025 19:46 • KuWizard • Pemaju ingin maklumat lanjut mengenai cadangan ini:

As far as I can see, there is an "Confirm turn" button when you do most of the common actions.
Is this not relevant anymore? Or could anyone please suggest a series of steps which cannot be undone at "Confirm Turn" step?

Aug 26 th 2025 13:49 • KuWizard • Pemaju ingin maklumat lanjut mengenai cadangan ini:

So this suggestion is upvoted 70 times but actually nobody is interested in this feature, is that correct? I guess everything is ok and I can close this one

Sep 2 nd 2025 18:25 • Winn81 • Pemaju ingin maklumat lanjut mengenai cadangan ini:

Came here to suggest this as well. For me I misunderstood a winter visitor but could not undo once the card was played, even though there was no new information revealed. There was no "Confirm Turn" button.

KuWizard, know that people who comment or thumb up this suggestion will not have seen your comment above unless they come back to this page, which for some is 4 years with no movement. They'll only receive an email notification when the status changes. Anyway, this feature would be a big improvement for the game.

Sep 2 nd 2025 19:03 • KuWizard • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

@Winn81, thanks for the example, I will definitely take a look at that.
Regarding email notifications - from my experience I was always receiving emails once I commented (not sure about thumbs up) any bug in any game. I am surprised it's not working for everyone... and actually I changed the status of this suggestion to "inforequest" so again, everyone commented should have received it :)

Sep 2 nd 2025 19:05 • KuWizard • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

And also, any details about the winter visitor's name? There are quite a lot of them.

Sep 2 nd 2025 19:24 • Winn81 • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

Yes, it was the taster: "discard 1 wine to gain 4 dollars. If it is the most valuable win in any player's cellar (no ties), gain 2 points". No one else had wine but me, so it took me a minute to realize my mistake. But again, as soon as I discarded the wine, the interface moved on to the next player's turn.

boardgamearena.com/9/viticulture?table=720893428&replayFrom=75

Sep 2 nd 2025 19:35 • KuWizard • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

Great, appreciate the description!
I would say in this specific case the confirmation popup would be better saying "No other player has any wine so you won't get 2 VP, are you sure?". However if this was the only wine in the game, shouldn't you gain 2 VP?

Sep 2 nd 2025 19:50 • Winn81 • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

If it's the only wine in the game, yes the player should get the 2 VP. But in my case I overlooked the fact I had a 1 and 3 value wine. I sold the 1 which was not the most valuable since it considers any player's cellar, including my own.

Sep 6 th 2025 13:02 • KuWizard • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

Another question is: does "Confirm" button will still be required if Undo will be implemented?
As I see it, you click "Confirm" after each single action in the multiple-actions queue and then, after everything is ok, you'll enter another new state with buttons "Confirm turn" and "Undo". Wouldn't multiple confirmations annoy players?

Sep 6 th 2025 14:23 • truetechie • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

Harvesting your field in the summer using your yoke is not allowed according to the rule book.it is allowed in bga. Please fix

Sep 6 th 2025 14:24 • KuWizard • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

It is a completely unrelated bug to the Undo function. Please create a new bug for that. This suggestion is about the Undo functionality

Sep 6 th 2025 14:58 • AndrewBucholtz • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

The taster is a good note, I've run into that before. Multi-step cards where you're making multiple wines, such as Crush Expert and Crusher, also don't seem to give an option to undo after making the first wine, which would be helpful. (For Crusher, undo should only let you go to after the card draw.) On the multiple confirmations, I think that would be less of an issue than current misclicks with the lack of undo, but I'd be fine with an undo and no confirmations as well.

(Also, the above yoke complaint isn't accurate, and the current implementation is correct there as per the rules linked in the game description. Essential edition rules, P. 12: "On their turn, a player may place a regular worker (or a grande worker acting as a regular worker) on their yoke to uproot 1 vine card (return a vine card from their field to their hand) or harvest 1 field (even in the summer), though the field may only be harvested once per year.")

Sep 6 th 2025 15:00 • KuWizard • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

If a game is on BGA for 4 years it's impossible that any core functions would work incorrectly :)
Thanks for the detailed answer, @AndrewBucholtz!

Sep 6 th 2025 15:06 • AndrewBucholtz • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

Playing through this some more, another case where undoing the whole turn could be useful is when playing multiple visitor cards (as long as they don't give you card draws). If you get the sequence slightly wrong, it's annoying to not be able to fix it.

Sep 6 th 2025 20:39 • Obiwan Jacobi • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

The only actions I can think of that shouldn't be possible to undo are those involving drawing cards. Once you've seen the card, it's too late to go back and not draw it. Otherwise, I can't think of anything that wouldn't be fine to go back and start over during the same turn.

Sep 7 th 2025 00:16 • Obiwan Jacobi • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

Wingspan allows you to undo until your turn is finalized, but when you draw a face down card, it warns you "This action cannot be undone" which you can confirm. Sometime like that seems like it would work well. Thanks for all your hard work helping us to play and have fun!

Sep 7 th 2025 00:19 • KuWizard • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

Yep, a lot of games do that including developed by me. That aligns to BGA undo rules.
And you're welcome but I think you're still to see my hard work ;)

Sep 8 th 2025 16:43 • Daveoh • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

Undo is a generally useful feature. It lets you play out an action or turn and see the consequences, and change your mind based on that. I don't think that needs explaining. This game does not have an undo feature. Therefore in response to your request for "cases what exactly could not be undone under current implementation" - then that includes every possible move in the game - you cannot undo them. I believe people are just asking for an undo option at the end of their turn. Not for specific scenarios. I can only assume I've repeated what the ask was already, so not sure I am adding anything here, and I'm not sure how much more information you can get from players.
The comment "there is a 'Confirm turn' button when you do most of the common actions" - I do not believe I have seen this before. When you have to make a choice the game asks you, but that is not an undo. Once you have made your choice, it ends your turn and moves on to the next player.

Sep 15 th 2025 20:34 • monsieurt • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

Possibility less difficult to implement than undo, it would be helpful if confirming only happened after all actions in a turn.

For example, when making 2 or 3 wines, we currently confirm after each wine. Instead, if a player could lay out all the wines they want to make at the same time, then confirm, that would be helpful for visualizing and functionally the same as having an undo.

Sep 16 th 2025 11:41 • KuWizard • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

Change anything in the original code (including moving all confirmations somewhere) is far, far more difficult than to add a new state at the end of a turn with "Confirm turn"/"Reset turn" buttons. I would say it's 10 hours of work vs 40 hours of work

Sep 19 th 2025 21:00 • strollingstar • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

Dear developers,

I just saw this post update this evening and I have to say I'm quite impressed that a 4-years old beloved game like Viticulture is finally getting bug fixes!

I agree that Undo is an essential feature to be had, especially if there is no new information provided. Undo should not be possible after card draws. Undo should also not be possible for actions requiring others cooperation as well(Banker, Swindler, Handyman, etc.). But undo should be possible for every other thing.

One example I had recently is when playing the winter visitor Zymologyst. I had 2,3 red grape and 3,4 white grape. I have a wine order for a 3 white and 7 sparkling. With the Zymologist I mistakenly use my 2,3-red and 4-white token to create a sparkling-9, and I cannot make the 3-white because I did not realize that Zymologist needed the wine made with a minimum value of 4. I ended up using another worker to create that 3-white wine and has to fill order the next year instead because all my worker are exhausted that year.

Granted, I still won the game (lucky me) but with the undo feature, I can realize earlier that Zymologist cannot create the 3-white wine, and may do things differently to end the game faster (I have another winter visitor to make wine). It's a small mistake, but it can cost the game.

That is just one example, but I think there are a lot of other implementations that may be similar. Thank you for your attention on this matter, and I'm looking forward to an enhanced version of Viticulture with undo on BGA!

Sincerely,
Strollingstar

Sep 19 th 2025 21:32 • KuWizard • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

Hey, Strollingstar!
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience! That really helps. And yeah, thanks to Jamie Stegmaier Viticulture got some financing and therefore some dev hours :)

Oct 7 th 2025 20:30 • Obiwan Jacobi • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

In the fall when you select your visitor card(s) this is action has no "confirm" button, so it's possible to accidentally hit the wrong button and be stuck with the result.

Oct 20 th 2025 13:19 • KuWizard • Pemaju bersetuju bahawa ia adalah idea yang baik dan berhasrat untuk mengatasinya:

This functionality is implemented in the new "Viticulture Tuscany" project which is currently in alpha. It will be moved to the main game after all major bugs will be fixed. If you want to test Tuscany extended board in alpha, check this thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=229986

Nov 26 th 2025 23:22 • KuWizard • Cadangan ini telah dilaksanakan:

Implemented

Nov 27 th 2025 20:01 • SteveDave • Cadangan ini telah dilaksanakan:

Nice, thanks!

Dec 16 th 2025 17:13 • punkinsniff • Cadangan ini telah dilaksanakan:

Greetings,

This game seems particularly sensitive especially while playing the mobile version to grab ahold of unintended interaction while zooming or scrolling that results in game action and cannot be undone. An undo button would be very helpful or confirming your turn. On multiple occasions I have lost a game because I was unable to undo. For example, with 3 workers in the second to last year, I was accidentally passed without harvesting or fulfilling orders that could have been. I was then in competitive and disengaged from play.

Dec 16 th 2025 17:31 • KuWizard • Cadangan ini telah dilaksanakan:

@punkinsniff, may I ask how often do you play Viticulture. This feature is implemented and works for 3 weeks already. Why do you express it as "would be helpful". Doesn't it work correctly? Please create a bug then

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